# Explanation for extreme degradation in speed with Tailscale? **URL:** \ **Category:** Router\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373 "2024-01-16T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AdamK](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@AdamK](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/AdamK)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/1 "2024-01-16T21:59:18Z")
Hello, I just checked into a hotel with 215 Mbps symmetrical speed which I measured while connected via ethernet to my GL iNet Beryl AX (w/o Tailscale enabled). I turn on my Tailscale exit node and I’m getting 7 Mbps down, 10 Mbps up. My exit node is a Raspberry Pi 4B with a short wired connection to my router at home. Via ssh, I run “speedtest-cli” on the Pi and the result is around 800 Mbps download and 23 Mbps upload. I understand my maximum download speed at the client side is going to be ~23 Mbps, but I’m not getting anywhere near that. I also realize I have a relay connection right now with Derp servers which definitely will decrease speeds, but should it really be this drastic? I wish it was direct connection. ![Screen Shot 2024-01-16 at 4.51.21 PM](https://forum-static.gl-inet.com/original/2X/4/4cbb6dc097cc182dbd91ae77b826048c8eac203d.png) ---
**Author:** ![admon](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/user_avatar/forum.gl-inet.com/admon/32/32880_2.png) [@admon](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/admon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/2 "2024-01-16T22:32:03Z")
> [@AdamK](#): > > I also realize I have a relay connection right now with Derp servers which definitely will decrease speeds, but should it really be this drastic? Depends highly on the relays and why they have to relay. I would say that speeds like this are somehow normal for relayed communication. You could try to use ZeroTier instead to check if the speed will be better. ---
**Author:** ![AdamK](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@AdamK](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/AdamK)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/3 "2024-01-16T23:06:23Z")
It would probably have the same issue and just use ZeroTier relay servers instead. I doubt speed would be better since Wireguard actually has less overhead than ZeroTier. ---
**Author:** ![admon](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/user_avatar/forum.gl-inet.com/admon/32/32880_2.png) [@admon](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/admon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/4 "2024-01-16T23:08:13Z")
It is more for understanding if Tailscale might be the issue. Never used it so I would at least try to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![AdamK](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@AdamK](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/AdamK)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/5 "2025-02-16T16:21:03Z")
Update: I've since created my own custom DERP relay server hosted on the same Pi as the exit node and have no degradation in speed now. I also offer custom DERP relay servers for monthly subscription [here](https://thewirednomad.com/tiers). I am a GL.iNet affiliate partner. ---
**Author:** ![sml](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@sml](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/sml)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/6 "2025-02-16T23:10:26Z")
> I also offer custom DERP relay servers for monthly subscription Really so now your an expert, Just in case your wondering who flagged your post it was me ---
**Author:** ![AdamK](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@AdamK](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/AdamK)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/7 "2025-02-16T23:21:41Z")
Yeah I work for GL.iNet too. So better watch out 🕶 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![sml](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@sml](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/sml)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/8 "2025-02-16T23:41:04Z")
I had no idea we could promote our services on this forum. good to know I'm a painter and every once in a while I could use the extra work ---
**Author:** ![eric](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/user_avatar/forum.gl-inet.com/eric/32/23373_2.png) [@eric](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/eric)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/9 "2025-02-16T23:52:12Z")
Ah, I see you've taken the ambitious route of expanding your empire to both here and Reddit. Who knew monopolizing platforms with your services could be so riveting? **Bold move! Bravo!** 👏 ---
**Author:** ![AdamK](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@AdamK](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/AdamK)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/10 "2025-02-17T00:09:31Z")
Yep, I saw the need for it so I gave people what they want. Also tired of seeing misinformation online and people taking advantage selling marked up hardware. I digress... ---
**Author:** ![admon](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/user_avatar/forum.gl-inet.com/admon/32/32880_2.png) [@admon](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/admon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 5:33am UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/11 "2025-02-17T05:33:39Z")
I agree that promoting 3rd party services here isn't allowed - no matter who will get paid by who. For this reason I will close this thread. ---
**Author:** ![admon](https://forum-assets.gl-inet.com/user_avatar/forum.gl-inet.com/admon/32/32880_2.png) [@admon](https://forum.gl-inet.com/u/admon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 5:33am UTC](https://forum.gl-inet.com/t/explanation-for-extreme-degradation-in-speed-with-tailscale/37373/12 "2025-02-17T05:33:45Z")